Bluey talked about it an awful lot in his post match interview. He spoke about how Warrintgon did this and they won the game as a result.



He was right. It's something I have talked about all season long with a certain player and it's something we saw yesterday with Ryan Atkins try.



I feel very sad to be proven right today.

How many collisions did TMFTMITTISL win yesterday?

Can't just single him out G we got battered all over the park mate not just down to 1 forward.

…was discussing this very point with the missus this morning and wondered if the inclusion of JP would have made the difference?



IMO they wouldn’t have been as dominant in the ruck with Jamie on the field.



Please don’t take this as some sorry ‘injury’ excuse as it is most definitely not – we lost because TS had a game plan that was executed perfectly by a determined Wire team.

Leeds was very poor at getting over the try line yesterday and not getting low enough.



Ryan bailey wanted to show he could bang mathers off instead of getting low and getting over the line, the was also two other times( can't recall which players) when the leeds players didn't get low enough to prevent being held up.



If you would have go over the line at them points then it could have a close game.



I don't know who the OP refers to as a players that never wins the collison but IMO it could be Kirke, he's huge but runs soft and gets stopped dead nearly every drive.



Is it Kirke?

It is Kirke who the OP is referring to.



The OP also possesses a blind spot with regards to what TMFTMITTISL allegedly brings to the team.

And what do you you think TMFMISL brings to leeds ?



I won't say what i think, i don't want a war

What is your opinion now on the abilities of the respective coaches involved in yesterday's final?

I will give you mine.



The best coach in the league won the challenge cup.



I also agree what you say about Kirke.

Leeds won the same amount of silverware under McClennan in half the time it took under Tony Smith.



How many collisions did TMFTMITTISL win yesterday? I'm unable to locate your response.

True, but McClennan inherited a stronger playing roster than Smith did in 2003, including a first team that had just won the Grand Final, a reserve team that were runners up in theirs, and an Academy team that had just won theirs too.

I presented a FACT and you've responded with an OPINION (and an arguable one at that).



What was the Leeds squad in 2004 which Tony Smith inherited?