And what do you you think TMFMISL brings to leeds ?



I won't say what i think, i don't want a war

What is your opinion now on the abilities of the respective coaches involved in yesterday's final?

I will give you mine.



The best coach in the league won the challenge cup.



I also agree what you say about Kirke.

Leeds won the same amount of silverware under McClennan in half the time it took under Tony Smith.



How many collisions did TMFTMITTISL win yesterday? I'm unable to locate your response.

True, but McClennan inherited a stronger playing roster than Smith did in 2003, including a first team that had just won the Grand Final, a reserve team that were runners up in theirs, and an Academy team that had just won theirs too.

I presented a FACT and you've responded with an OPINION (and an arguable one at that).



What was the Leeds squad in 2004 which Tony Smith inherited?

Both are great coaches in different ways, but I know which coach I'd rather have and which coaches' brand of rugby I'd rather watch and it isn't the one pass and barge no plan B rygby we've seen the last 2 seasons.

Smith isn't the uber coach people make him out to be though.



Because he started with a title at leeds, and ended with a title, you forget the sh*t that went in the middle. Some awful performances.



Smith has a huge impact on a team within the first 24 months, but after that it peters out.



Leeds were awesome under smith first 24 months (bar the end of 2005). But after that things went pretty poorly, apart from some farewell performances at the end of 2007.



It'll be interesting to see how warrington will evolve under smith over the next 2 seasons. Briers, Monoghan and morley are all ''getting on''. That's 3 of warringtons best players and all will be very very hard to replace.

Others have said it....Kirke wasn't the only one. (No excuses for him though.....he also looked a right powder puff when Westwood knocked him to the ground for Mathers' disallowed try).

Bailey was another major disappointment in this area....esp again for [ihis[/i size.



Eastwood was in a different league for his hit-ups. The rest.....pants !!!

And what did you think about the performance of a player a previous poster once dubbed a turnstyle in defence yesterday?

Agreed. The way he's transformed another underperforming club is a true credit to him.



Watching Warrington's tenacious defence and wonderful off-loading reminded me of watching Leeds a few years ago. Sadly, his influence on the players in Blue and Amber is now a distant memory.

who was it who was handed off like a rag doll for ryan atkins try before halftime yesterday?