Or not it would seem , so it is in fact an English league with guests , just as the Championship is



Keep digging

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No I didn't.

The European comp was in relation to the clubs OUTSIDE SL. You've totally misunderstood my post.



The SL would be as it is now, 12 English clubs, 1 Welsh club and 1 French club. The RFL control who the 12 English clubs are. The WRL control who the 1 Welsh club entered is. And the FFR13 control who the French club is. The RFL could use a P&R method to decide their 12 clubs.

Every so many years, review how many clubs from each federation are in (i.e. whether to increase France to 2 teams) etc.



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Says who? And why is there a Welsh team and a French team in this English pyramid?



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No, I mean an independent body that isn't looking after the best interest of their own club.



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Franchise decisions aren't always in the best interest of the club or the league either. They're the opinions of a few people which aren't always for the best interests of everyone. At least with P&R it is up to the clubs to stay in SL.



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Yes, they would also be relegated.

And yes, if they know the rules they can't complain.





Because you could have a protected conference with your expansion clubs, and the rest of conferences having P&R.

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its one of the other usernames used by a poster on this thread.



ive counted about 5 user names hes got.

How embarrassing, have you been drinking?

Not at all.



This is the favourite Rush lyrics thread isn't it?

It wouldn't have been so bad if it hadn't been Rush.

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Happy now?

I doubt he's into Hawkwind either.

no it wasnt, in'96 SL completely broke away from the RFL and was completely independent of the RFL. In 2002 some powers were devolved back to the RFL but SL is still independant of the british RL pyramid (though no longer the RFL).



SL didnt replace the Stones bitter championship. It usurped it. The Stones bitter championship is now the Championship. SL is over and above that.



One league is the top tier of the english RL system, one is above that.

One has a stated aim of being a European League, one hasnt.

One leagues fans celebrate its European aspect, One leagues fans bitch and moan and whine about theirs.



The point I am making, to clear it up a bit. In a European League, the championships have no more right to automatic promotion, than the clubs in the french elite, or any other league which is top of their countries respective pyramids.

jeeze you make me ashamed to be an expansionist with stuff like that



and dont toulose play in the championship too?

why is this better than what we have now?







what if the RFL dont want to use P+R? are they allowed to use the same method as the french and welsh? do the french and welsh need to run it by the RFL if they do decide to make a change? Should the RFL confirm everything with the FFR13 and WRL when they relegate and promote a team? what if the FFR13 and WRL dont really want to admit the team that would get promoted can they refuse?



A french team to pander to the flatcappers. A welsh team for the same reason cardiff, swansea and wrexham play in the english Football League



why would SL chairman create, vote for, and devolve power to an independent body whose sole criteria is to not act in the best interests of their clubs?



they are at least an attempt to be in the best interests of the league and clubs. At least it is an effort to do what is right rather than leaving it in the lap of the gods and hoping for the best like p+R





just because you know the rules doesnt mean they arent stupid rules.





that would be ridiculous, and pointless. We have got rid of P+R for a reason. it wont come back for more reasons.

when the other trolls point out what your posting is complete rubbish, you should just give up

you make me ashamed to be human. You make me think maybe Darwin was wrong.

you cause a lot of damage to the expansionist cause, which makes me think you arent a real expansionist, just more intent on winding up people whose clubs arent in SL whilst yours is.

from you, thats quite nice.

Because it is more logical that a French team plays in a French league and English teams play in an English league, rather than a French team playing in an English league (which you keep referring to it as).





The RFL could use whatever method they like to pick their teams. You asked how you could work P&R into a European league. This is how. Your worst English teams are replaced by the best outside that league. You can do the same in France and Wales. As long clubs in these federations have a set number of clubs in this league then they can pick (or use whatever system to pick) the clubs to fill the slots.



And the rest of your questions there are silly. If there is an independent body to oversee the league (which is what I said) then they would have to confirm with them (the independent body) to see if the new club meets criteria. It's up to the RFL (and the independent body to confirm) who their clubs are. Same for FFR13 and WRL.





How is a French team pandering to the flatcappers? They didn't want them in, can't be promoted and can't be relegated. Do you agree with Toulouse being in the Championship?





Isn't this a game-wide decision? Wouldn't Championship clubs get a vote (with less weighting) like before? I'm pretty sure that's what happened when licensing came to be.

And the RFL do govern the SL. The RFL decided the franchises. They administer rule changes. They administer discipline. SLE is not a governing body like you seem to think it is. It used to be, but it integrated with the RFL in 2002.





Just because you're trying to do something right, doesn't mean you are doing something right. Sometimes it is actually best to leave it to the lap of the Gods. After all, isn't a lot of sport to do with luck, etc?





Fair point. But it works for both systems.





Why would it be ridiculous and pointless? It pleases everyone and makes logical sense. If you had a Western conference, an Eastern conference and a Southern conference, then the Southern conference could be franchised, and the other two could be P&R.



We got rid of P&R because it couldn't be sustained at the moment (which I agree with). That won't always be the case. Just because you don't like P&R doesn't mean it's wrong.

Unfortunatley it is the case , I have asked several times to several different posters , What is the answer to the problems that have resulted in the ending of P and R ? , the reason given by all for the removal is the financial gap between SL and the Championship



So the answer is ?



Simple , somehow there has to be found a way to increase the income streams of the lower tier clubs to close the gap



The reason nobody will answer the question is because the posters like the RFL havent a clue how to achieve this



Or which is more likely , the posters and the RFL know what the answer is , but they dont want the Championship clubs to find more income because it then weakens thier main concern which is SL , basically the RFL and the SL clubs dont want the gap to close , they want the gap to grow bigger



So what the RFL do is pay ' lip service ' to the Championships with daft idea's like the inclusion of Toulouse and sponsorship deals that dont provide any income for some clubs

Because realistically it is impossible.

That's not the truth, just the propaganda to keep P+R out of the system, it is in the interest of every SL club to keep licenses in the short term, no one in RL seems to think any further ahead that that

What is the truth then?

:3myn507hnot as a precursor to promotion. Both would be equally invalid.



:3myn507hThis independent body doesnt and will never exist. Why do we want an independent body running the league when you have specifically said that this independent body wont be run in the best interests of the clubs, anyway? Do you not think that the way the RFL run the their part of it should be decided in conjunction with the FFR13 run theirs?



His is nonsense, how can we have at least 3 different clubs, ruled by 4 different organisations, playing to 3 different sets of rules in the same league? And why are we so desperate for it?



:3myn507hNo, it was an idea that benefited no-one bar Toulouse, and they would have been better served going a different way about it.



:3myn507hNo, the devolved some power back, but not all. And if you think that they wouldnt simply breakaway again, completely, as they did in '96 if we tried to impose an independent body who werent going to act in their best interests to run them, then you're crazy



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you do know how ridiculous what you have just put is dont you?



No its wrong because its wrong. The negatives are plain to see. one and a half years of stability and we have already forgotten the damage it caused

If P&R is SO WRONG!!!!!!!!



Why is it STILL being used in the Championship, Amateur Leagues and an awful lot of other sports?

Count the Chp clubs who've gone bust in the last 3 years.

Count the SL ones.



More juniors, better crowds, more competition, we'll keep it as it is I think.